During E3 we were lucky enough to catch up with Bethesda's Todd Howard, who joined us in LA in the wake of the official announcements of both Starfield and The Elder Scrolls VI during the publisher's crowd-pleasing conference.
It's early days for both games and Howard was relatively tight-lipped during our talk, although he did let slip a few tantalising details.
"We talked about that game for ten years," Howard told us when we asked about Starfield.
"We know people want us just to go on to Elder Scrolls, right? But you have to ask yourself: do we want to be a group that all we do is go Fallout, Elder Scrolls, Fallout. And we did, we wanted to do other things too. And that was definitely one that we got very, very excited about."
"We've always wanted to play the game we're making and no-one else has quite pulled it off in what we're doing. And we feel that once we started putting some pieces in place and playing parts of it, there's something really... I don't want to say too much but... pretty incredible there."
When asked whether the game itself had a unique feel, Howard said: "yes, it does things that you would expect us to do, but it does a lot of things you wouldn't expect from us too."
We also had to ask about The Elder Scrolls VI, but the man from Bethesda had even less to say about the next game in the enduringly popular fantasy series.
"It's early. We're still in the concepting and design part of what that's going to be. We know a lot about it, that could change. But we want to let people know: this is the order things are coming in. This is coming. We want to see it too, we love it as much as you do. We do that teaser trailer and work on that music and the imagery and we watch it and we get... Even I get a little goosebumpy, honestly, seeing all that. I think it's awesome."
But why show so little? As Howard explained it, it was so "people can sort of get a tone of what we're going for."
You can check out the trailers for both games above, and the complete interview (which is largely focused on Fallout 76) can be seen below.